Zenpriest #42 - Activism

QUOTE 1: "You know, once in a while I get a good gut feeling, like there is light at the end of the tunnel. Hearing you hit the root of the problem over and over in the previous post makes me feel like we're striking home runs. Why? because our very political system is breeding the men we need to beat this. The angry men here fall under that category.


You know it, I know it, and most of us here know it. One day there'll be enough single, disgruntled, assraped men that will repay the very system that enslaved them by voting it out.

The only way to pull this off is to educate every MRA, male-slave, or Real life activist...


QUOTE 2: What comes to mind when reading these posts is an issue I felt strongly about and was popularly opposed. I did the usual activist stuff: going to meetings, rallies, and writing letters to politicians and newspapers. The ONLY reward I got was some snippy responses from FEMALE politicians and a pair of gov't guns at the back door. The measure passed nonetheless.


My view is more of a list of Don'ts rather than Do's. My view of the feminist juggernaut is simple. It's like a drunk on a bender. Try getting in the way of one intent on staying drunk is an exercise in futility. However, there ARE things I CAN do. I can withdraw my financial support from the feminist cause as much as possible. The date/mate strike is a good one. I will NOT intervene to "rescue damsels in distress". I will NOT play "Captain Free Therapist".


Quote 3: My priority is to survive.


I'm trying to survive in a hostile system.


Marriage strike = only way to make an impact, and that's an indirect impact. One day the powers that be will wake up and maybe sweeten the deal for us. But we've come so far down the path of misandry there's no hope of fighting it all at once. You are met with a wall of emotion whenever you try. Emotion is saturated in the issue, becoming more important in law, family law especially, than what can be proven. At college feminist professors would tell me that emotions were a way of knowing, a superior way of knowing, than "patriarchal" logic and reasoning. Sounds funny until you see it's actually working out that way, that it's being put into effect. It's a losing game, playing by the rules established now. Don't play. It's the only way.

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The fundamental flaw with traditional activism is that it validates by acceptance the view that politicians are our rulers rather than in service to us. Going to them begging for crumbs acknowledges the power they have over us and indicates acceptance that such power is valid.

It is not.

We are bound only by chains of our own making - addiction to comfort, instant gratification, and TV. The moment we "go to the other side" and become willing to live without such things, in that moment we become free.

The looters will continue looting as long as there is anything to loot. They will not stop because we ask them - no matter whether it is nicely or angrily. They will stop when we stop them, and not before.

The first priority is to survive, and that is done by not playing the game and withdrawing our support and participation from all who do. No rescuing the damsels in distress, no playing "Captain FreeTherapist", no feeding the beast.

Look at what happened to Larry Summers. It was that tsunami of emotion which left him groveling and backing away from a simple statement of the truth. Unless and until we can muster an equal tidal wave of anger in response to misandry, it will continue to exist and spread.

The thing that pisses me off most about MRAs as they have been for the past few years is that they insist on eating the whole elephant in one bite. Guys talk big about climbing Mt. Everest, before they have gotten their asses off the couch and walked to the front door.

Public demonstrations have never done shit and never will do shit. When I was the age of a lot of guys on this board I was active in both the civil rights movement and the anti Vietnam war movements. Yeah, it made us feel all warm and fuzzy inside to get together with a couple thousand of our closest friends and sing kum-ba-ya, and we could even take the fire hoses and the tear gas (which was a real drag, though). But, when the guns came out at Kent State and they started mowing us down, the children's hour was over for most of us and we realized we were just spoiled kids playing at adult activities.

I lost track of the number of buddhist monks who set themselves on fire to protest the war. It made the nightly news for one night, and then it was back to business as usual of robberies, car accidents, and celebrity scandals. BUT when LBJ looked at his poll numbers and knew he couldn't win because he had alienated so many people with his aggressive pursuit of the war, he knew he had to quit the game.

Every day the system recruits more men to our cause than we ever could. How many times has a guy come here and said "Geez, for so long I thought I was the only guy who felt this way." That is the fatal flaw in the system's game - they must keep us isolated and from talking to each other and feeling like we are the only ones who see the problem and therefore we must be wrong.

In the past couple of days I have read several posts of younger men who are flatly resisting the pressures to put themselves in a position where they can be looted - refusing to marry, refusing to sire hostages (oops, I mean "children"), refusing to willingly put themselves in chains. They are that light at the end of the tunnel you talk about. We did not create them, the system created them.

What we must do is keep watch for the men getting ready to turn, and the moment we sense that they have become ready to "go to the other side" to grab them and give them a moral sanction and validation for their choice. That is what many men are doing - every guy who responds to women's whining "there are no good men left" with "sure there are, we are just on strike against bitches like you!"

The only way they have left to force us to support them is with their guns and prisons. Social pressure to marry is no longer effective because women destroyed it in order to "liberate" themselves. With their wishful emotional non-thinking, they were able to delude themselves that they could be liberated while men remained enslaved.

Sorry, sweetcheeks. It has worked for a while, but you have looted out all there is to loot and men are wising up. Unless they can now find a way to get goverment thugs with guns to show up at them door and force a man to marry some parasite, he will remain free of their grasp.

Survival is going to mean going without things that we want - like a loving mate and children - but the reality is that we will do without them anyway no matter what we do. So we might as well do what it takes to survive.

All we have to do is wait out the system. No matter how much public acceptance and support a bad idea has, the fact that it is a bad idea and simply wrong will cause it to collapse eventually. We have seen collectivism collapse a couple of times in this century alone, so we know that it will eventually collapse in contemporary western civilization.

What we have to do is learn from those mistakes, in ways that our so-called "leaders" have not. Soviet men are in a world of hurt, but by studying their bad example western men can avoid the same pitfalls. Dozens of men on this board are doing exactly that - keeping healthy, working on developing a positive outlook and emotional independence from women, concentrating on building assets and resources and protecting them from the looters and looterettes.

When the day comes that there is a male equivalent of Emily's list, and when enough men are angry enough that they can put aside all their petty differences and decide that they are going to work together to punish assholes like Joe Biden for his anti-male VAWA legislation and do anything and everything it takes to get the sonofabitch OUT of office, then men's activism will have finally grown up.

While I certainly remember youthful impatience, anger, and energy, I'm going to use an old joke to make a point:

A young bull and an old bull were standing on a hill looking at a bunch of heifers in a field below.

The young bull says - "Let's run down there and fuck one of those heifers."

The old bull says - "Let's walk down there, and fuck them all."


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Zenpriest #41 - Feminism is an Extended Infantile Tantrum

QUOTE 1: "Guys around here who talk about "feminism" and "Ameriskanks" and "female sexism" as exceptions to the basic goodness and fairness of women are missing the bigger issue: Many of women's worst traits seem consistent, if not hardwired.

The bad impulses will surface from generation to generation -- at most, we can hope to deny them legitimacy or free expression."

QUOTE 2: "Many of women's worst traits seem consistent, if not hardwired."

Exactly right. All feminism did was give women free reign to do what they have want to for centuries. And it is government sanctioned.

QUOTE 3: And you see this again and again if you review history.

Destructive female psychology is hard wired. It is not a product of feminism. Feminism is a product of female psychology. A culture can attenuate those worst female tendencies or it can not. American culture no longer does and most of the world is headed our way.

This is why I tend to stomp on any statement that it is only those nasty "bad" types of feminists which are the problem. Feminism at its very heart is part absolute self-centeredness, part fantasy and wishful thinking, part denial, and part infantile tantrum.

All people are selfish - it is simply called "self-preservation" which is a fundamental characteristic of anything alive. People living together without ending up killing each other over access to limited resources requires cultural and social values which restrain and limit the destructive impulses of people.

Feminism is an extended infantile tantrum over these limitations, with the rage fueled by fantasies and wishful thinking about the way they want the world to be (in order to gratify their constant infantile needs) and based on denial that the nature of the world itself imposes many of these limitations.

This is why the fundamental denial of nature is an essential part of feminist thought. They have to deny nature so they can blame men.

They have to blame men because female passivity is the real reason behind women's inaction, along with the inability to suffer discomfort. Notice how wymyn's "feee-yuhl-lings" have become elevated to be the most important things in the world.

Women's passivity will also be their downfall in this situation. Over the past 40 years, women have kept turning up the volume on their bitching, until they have reached the status of "Maximum and perpetual bitch."

What really chaps my ass is the way that men keep making excuses for women, and accepting the constant poison women drip out and praise them for being "less like that" than other women.

I can't remember if I posted a link to this comment about Kathleen Parker:

QUOTE: "I want you to observe how the first 8 paragraphs are full of praise for father's restraint, but then the ninth paragraph is this:

"Women are frankly better at defending themselves than men are, which may be a function of the fact that they were the underdogs for so many centuries. Under the heel of a boot, one learns to think creatively. Men are just beginning to feel the crunch of gravel pressing into their faces."

You see, according to her, we deserve it! Kathleen sows seeds of hatred by pulling the "I'm not a feminist, but..." and then states a feminist statement? If she's saying feminist things, then's she's a feminist! You, as a man don't notice these things, because the dose of misandrist poison comes from behind a facade of weakness, and is enough of a low dose to destroy over time, unlike feminists who use high doseages of manhating poison which would trigger something you could react to.

In fact, I would say conservative women and feminists are the "Good cop, bad cop" and both of them are working against you as a man, comprimising everything you are and do as a man. See here:

Good cop, bad cop

She also quotes the Gilder Fallacy of which I am posting a link to disprove her claims, and I am also reminded of Esther Vilar saying that men are praised for their qualities useful to women.

In short, don't trust conservative women any more than you would a feminist."

This is what many guys are saying. [It has been] pointed out many times that foreign women are not the magic solution that some guys seem to think they are. There is no hidden spot of uncorrupted women left. All restraints to women's behavior have been or are in the process of being removed.

And, what a lot of guys underestimate is the absolute degree of skankness that the current generation of girls is being raised into. A massive army of entitlement-princess-victims has been unleashed on an unprepared public.

Conservative women are no better, because they deliver their poison from behind a smile - or from behind the mask of a ditz.

QUOTE: "Women are frankly better at defending themselves than men are, which may be a function of the fact that they were the underdogs for so many centuries. Under the heel of a boot, one learns to think creatively. Men are just beginning to feel the crunch of gravel pressing into their faces."


And don't she just love it. Women are "getting men back" for all those mythical "centuries as the underdog."

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 “Feminism starts out being very simple. It starts out being the instinct of a little child who says ‘it’s not fair’ and ‘you are not the boss of me,’ and it ends up being a worldview that questions hierarchy altogether.” -- Gloria Steinem, in the two hour HBO special on the life of Gloria Steinem entitled, "Gloria: In Her Own Words."

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Further Reading:

Zenpriest #21 – The Terrible Twos

Woman: The Most Responsible Teenager in the House

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Zenpriest #40 - Girls Just Wanna Have Fun

QUOTE:

Courtship Signaling and Adolescents:
"Girls Just Wanna Have Fun"?

Monica M. Moore, Ph.D.
Department of behavioral and Social Sciences, Webster University


Cary (1976) discovered that the woman, through eye contact, controlled the course of interaction with a male stranger, both in the laboratory and in singles' bars. Perper (1985) gave a detailed description of courtship, stressing an escalation-response process in which women play a key role in escalation or deescalation. The steps in this process are approach, turn, first touch, and steady development of body synchronization.


Although these reports are clearly valuable, most researchers addressed courtship very generally, and some failed to recognize the importance of the female role in the courtship process .What was needed was a more complete ethogram of women's nonverbal courtship signals. To compile such a catalog of flirting behavior exhibited by women involved in initial heterosexual interaction, more than 200 adults were observed (Moore, 1985) in field settings such as singles' bars, restaurants, and parties. 

Research has shown, therefore, that the cultural myth that the man is always the sexual aggressor, pressing himself on a reluctant woman, is incorrect.

Thus the old saying "she asked for it."

Two key issues related to the red highlighted part in particular, and the related information:

1) socially we have become so stupid, and so enmeshed in the "sex is a social construct" idiocy, that we now have to have extensive research projects to discover what the majority of people have always known. Ms Moore's next research project, for which she received a $10 million grant, took 10 years but was able to definitively determine that peanut butter is made from .... peanuts.

2) That mythology, which is part of the foundation of both the old Feminine Mystique and the modern Feminist Mystaque, allows the horny slut of tonight to revise history and become the reluctant virgin of tomorrow suffering so terribly from being "sexually harassed" or "rayyyppped".

This is the nuclear bomb of the gender war, in that it attacks the very foundations and mechanisms which draw men and women together in the first place. Given the universal lying about this by women, men are left between a rock and hard place. No matter how aggressively she may signal interest, in many cases completely faked purely for the purpose of extracting attention and resources from the male, in the light of revisionist history the man will always take the fall if he fails to please her in the way she expected.

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“Women chat happily, send sexually explicit signals and encourage the man’s attention, even if they have absolutely no interest in him. This gives a woman time to assess a man, says [Karl Grammer of the Ludwig Boltzmann Institute of Urban Ethology in Vienna, who studied 45 male-female pairs of strangers in their teens and early twenties]… Importantly, the women also seemed to control the encounter – what the women did had a direct effect on what the men did next. ‘You can predict male behaviour from female behaviour but not the other way around,’ says Grammer” – New Scientist Magazine (London), February 14, 2001

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Further Reading:

Zenpriest #18 – The Designated Initiator

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Zenpriest #39 - Brer Patriarch

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QUOTE: "This article is disturbing because they only relate it to how the hardships suffered by boys are affecting women. This is a product being sold with great bias, and in its method, the point of the article is lost to those that examine it closely.

On the one hand though, this can also be considered fighting fire with fire. If one adopts that philosophy for how they fight, then it's also got to be accepted that their cause will be pushed forward in ways that aren't agreeable to them. In this case, the reversal of feminist ideology will continue in small steps until there is social revolution. I don't particularly like McElroy myself, but she is speaking to 'feminists' in language that they will understand and what they don't is honor, morals and principles.

An article that is wolf in sheep's clothing indeed."

I read this 3 times and still didn't get what point you were trying to make. I really don't think she is "she is speaking to 'feminists' in language that they will understand". The most basic tenets of feminism are:

1) a fundamental disrespect for men, maleness, and the male experience,

2) the bedrock belief that women always have it worse than men and always have had it worse than men.

While she and some others of her ilk try to put a "rational" face on some aspects of feminism, I don't think they manage to pull it off. A perfect, but very indirect, measure of the belief system from which she operates was given in the thread over at MND which resulted in the female mod resigning. McElroy's husband jumped into the argument between Gonz and navyblue in which Gonz was explaining why he was not interested in going out and giving another woman a chance to totally fuck him over. NB was pulling the standard shaming tactic of "suck it up, get over it and move on" - with the implication of that being to go right back to courting women and currying their favor.

Brad jumped in with "blame yourselves, men!"

I see her entire paradigm as being simply wrong - trying to invert feminism and apply the same errors in reverse. Women felt that being shut out of major careers was "oppression" when in fact being pushed into them was the real oppression. Women then demanded to give up a huge degree of freedom in exchange for the same wage-slavery which the old protector/provider role forced on men.

Right now there are nearly as many men in prison for not paying child support as for all other crimes combined with the exception of drug offenses (another bogus, manufactured crime). Boys are accurately perceiving what slavery the old male role represents for them, and are opting off the track early on. Of course this "harms women" because it reduces the pool of potential providers for them to choose from. Many of these women will no longer have the choices which women of previous generations had, but will instead have the same 3 choices men have had:

1) Work full time,

2) Work full time, or

3) Work full time.

If one looks at the black community, which is where many say the white population is headed as well, black women have no problem at all finding plenty of guys willing to screw them, but very few who can and are willing to support them. This is already becoming the case with white women, and will become increasingly so over the next few years.

If one looks at the values of ghetto-ized black males (the black members of this board not being part of that group) they have little if any desire to support women, and have no problem at all taking money from them. They have learned the whole "independent woman" thing is complete bullshit, and have found that many black women will not only put up with, but will also give money to a man, simply to have one around to meet some of their emotional needs - no matter how sparsely he actually meets them.

The boys who are not going to college today got diverted off that track 15 years or more ago. No changes, no matter how big, would show any effect for a similar period of time. A great many of these women getting the majority of degrees and professional positions will simply have no one to marry, and will either have to support a man to some extent or remain alone.

The lack of males in college does not represent males somehow being "left out", but is more representative of them "opting out." Hunchback just cited the fact that 60% of women and at least 40% of men do not see fathers as necessary. That being the case, they certainly are not going to commit themselves to the hard work necessary to fulfill that role.

What is happening right now is akin to a wonderful old story by Uncle Remus called "The Tar Baby", here is the punch line:

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QUOTE: Brer Rabbit saw he'd been caught dead to rights and he talked mighty humble. "I don't care what you do with me, Brer Fox, so long as you don't fling me in that there briar patch."

Seeing as how it was going to be a lot of work to make a fire and apparently not caring whether lunch was cooked or raw, Brer Fox reckoned he could just hang the rabbit. "Hang me just as high as you please, Brer Fox, but for the Lawd's sake, don't fling me in that briar patch," said Brer Rabbit.

Seeing as how he had no rope, Brer Fox decided to drown the rabbit. "Drown me just as deep as you please, Brer Fox, but don't fling me in that briar patch," said Brer Rabbit.

Seeing as how there was no water around, the Fox said he'd just skin the rabbit. "Skin me, Brer Fox, snatch out my eyeballs, pull out my hair, tear out my ears by the roots and cut off my legs," said Brer Rabbit, "but please, please, Brer Fox, don't fling me in the briar patch."

Well, Brer Fox was pretty fed up with Brer Rabbit's whining. He really didn't care about eating him so much as he did hurting him as bad as he could. So he caught him up by the hind legs, pulled him out of the Tar-baby, slung him around in the air, and flung him right into the middle of that there briar patch.

There was a considerable flutter where the rabbit struck and Brer Fox hung around to see what was going to happen. By and by he heard someone calling to him, and way up the hill he saw Brer Rabbit sitting on a log combing the tar out of his fur. "Bred and born in the briar patch, Brer Fox, bred and born in the briar patch. Briars can't hurt me," sang Brer Rabbit as he skipped off just as lively as a cricket in the embers.
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Brer Fox thought he was doing something to hurt Brer Rabbit, when in fact he was giving Brer Rabbit exactly what he wanted. All Brer Fox ended up doing was throwing away his dinner.

Women have thought they were hurting men by pushing them out of the provider role. And, for the generation of men who had it pounded into their heads that they were defined by that role, it did hurt them. But, the generation of men who grew up after men had already been pushed out - it doesn't matter to them in the least.

Brer Feminazi has thrown them back into the briar patch where they were born and bred, and destroyed all the social mechanisms which used to force men to support women - thus throwing away all women's guaranteed meal tickets.

What we are seeing right now is a desperate attempt by women and chivalrous idiots to try to contain the damage with increasingly draconian laws. Some of the unwary will get caught, and the smarter ones will learn from the mistakes of their stupid brothers.

So, McElroy gets part of it right by getting it all wrong - women really are the ones who are harmed by pushing men out of college and out of the professions.

Several years ago, I got my mouthy ass fired by a guy who was a complete pathological liar. For years I had been living on not much more than 1/3rd of what I took home, because I didn't have the consuming habits of a female and her pups to support, and investing the rest. After the initial shock of being fired for the first time in my life, I began to feel an electrifying sense of freedom. I kept telling myself "I really gotta start looking for work, next week"

This went on for 6 1/2 years. I took a lot of long motorcycle trips, went to NZ, built Eye of the Mind, read a lot, slept late, and generally enjoyed life. I would have never been able to do that with a female parasite attached to me.

Being in my mid-40s, non-obese, and a true OB down to the colors and the tats, I had no shortage of middle-aged, mostly obese, mostly divorced, and truly desperate women wanting to bag me. They asked me out, and they always paid. And, they always went home alone. I took the basic attitude, "ok, you can buy me dinner if you want, but don't for a moment think it has bought you a guarantee that I will fuck you in exchange for it."

(sound familiar to any of you guys?)

McElroy continues to carry forward the same mistaken belief that underlies all feminism - that men did what they did for any reason other than society and women pressured them into it every bit as much as women were pressured into their old roles.

Men supported women because they were not given the choice not to.

Now that men are given that choice, far more men will take it than almost any woman would wish.

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Further reading:

The Same Old Story – by Adam Kostakis

This Way to See the Great Egress!

Philalethes #1 – Feminist Allies?

Philalethes #14 – Hyphenate Them Any Way You Want, A Feminist is a Feminist is a Feminist

Philalethes #16 – Who Stole Feminism? Nobody!

International Women’s Working Day – by V.I. Lenin

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Zenpriest #38 - Mid-Life Crisis

Male change-of-life is very real. Calling it "male menopause" is simply an example of the way that language has been feminized and women's experience has become the standard by which all things are judged.

A frequent topic here is the life pattern of female fertility. Male sex drive follows exactly the same pattern as female fertility - it peaks in the late teens, declines very slowly for about 10-15 years, then begins to decline more rapidly.

Whether one believes in "intelligent design" (newspeak for creationism) or purely Occam's Razor, any other pattern would make no sense at all. All behavior is purposeful, and for a middle-aged man to have the same level of sex drive as he did when he was 18 at a time women his age are largely infertile would be the nadir of bad design.

Instead of calling it "menopause" or even "andro-pause", it should be called just what it is - horny-pause. Before the current obsession with avoiding aging, it was folk knowledge that men normally experienced a marked decrease in sexual desire by age 50, which also used to be the median age for female menopause. Now, pharmaceutical companies are making billion$ off "little blue pills" which do for the average male what steroids do for pro athletes - allow them to squeeze out just a little bit more and better performance.

Quote: "A MLC is when a man stops counting time from birth and starts counting time to death. It is when you reach the half way point, what ever you think that age would be."

Men have a biological clock just like women do - we have an awareness at the cellular level that we are running out of time. Sometime around age 40, a lot of men look around and ask themselves "Is this all there is? - bills, wage slavery, braces and tuition for the kids, and a nagging hateful harridan who owns the bed and lets me share it if I am a 'good boy'?"

The thing which makes it far more complex for men is the protector provider role which extends a minimum of 18-22 years beyond birth. When a man figures his "time left", he has to subtract about 20 years from his entire allotment of time in order to get the real time he has left. That leaves the magic numbers of 47 and 43 - the cutoff age beyond which they cannot have a child and get it graduated from college or just high school before they retire. Chaining backwards - add one year for the pregnancy, one to really get to know the woman, and one for courtship, when a man is 40-44 there are only a few minutes left on the clock. Some men fall prey to the same sense of urgency experienced by a 37 y/o childless woman.

All this simply cannot make any sense to a younger man who still has a sense of immortality and invulnerability. It is like trying to describe what it feels like to stand on the moon to all but the handful of people who had done it, or what riding a bicycle feels like to one who has never done it - there is no substitute for experience.

One of the best descriptions of what the mid-life crisis really is - how mundane the reality is - comes in the form of an old joke:

There was kid who wanted to join the grade school band. He and his parents talked to the band teacher who told them he had all the trumpets and clarinets he needed, and that the one real opening he had was for a tuba player. So the parents bought the kid a tuba and he joined the band. He kept at it through high school, then joined the armed forces and played tuba with the band. After he got out, he went to college and played the tuba. He got out during an economic slump and there weren't many jobs for Forensic Oceanographers, so he got a job playing tuba for the Boise, Idaho Brass Ensemble. In a few years he moved up to the Missoula, Montana Symphony Orchestra, then on to the big time - the Fargo Philharmonic.

The day before his 40th birthday he wakes up and thinks "My God!! I'M A TUBA PLAYER!!!!"

John Lennon said "Life is what happens while you are planning other things." A lot of guys simply drift into a rut while they are figuring out what they want to do with their lives, and once they do they find that not only is that rut worn pretty deep, but that there are also a lot of people very invested in keeping him in it - so they can keep milking his wallet. Attempts to break out of those self-created prisons are seldom any more elegant than breaking out of any other type of prison.

Mid-Life Crisis for a man really boils down to him asking himself - "Is this really the way I want to spend the rest of the time I have left?" - and coming up with "no" for an answer.

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Further Reading:

EOTM: Sexual Psychology – Part 3 – 40 to Closing Time

Mid-Life Crisis -- Rollo Tomassi  

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Zenpriest #37 - How It All Happened

"How it all happened" was by a genius masterstroke of positioning. The feminidiots claimed to be speaking for all women, and were able to dismiss any attempt to refute their nonsense by the personal attacks of being anti-woman. Once they had constructed the elaborate hoax of "patriarchy" and "male power and privilege" they could dismiss any criticism by males as being nothing more than protecting that privilege.

The second part of their brilliant strategy was to make the personal political and the political personal. They thus destroyed the ability to have personal relationships. Friction between two individual people ceased to be about those individuals and became merely symbolic of the universal "oppression" of the larger culture. An argument between a man and woman invariably expanded to include the treatment of women in Afghanistan, and Female Genital Mutilation, and how men used to beat their wives with sticks as big around as their thumbs, and so many other totally irrelevant topics that the conflict between them could never get resolved.

For years, millions of women enthusiastically joined the "junior anti-sex league" (thank you, George Orwell) and were the zealous agents of big sister turning every slight mis-comment around the dinner table or in any social setting into an opportunity to climb on their soapboxes and preach to the unwashed masses. Men got sick of having feminist spies watching their every move, and self-absorbed women landing on them with hobnail boots for every politically incorrect statement, and ruining every social occasion with an ideological tirade, and a great many men just caved in.

Most guys when they come home want a little peace and quiet and maybe a bit of physical intimacy, not to have to engage the little woman in an ideological diatribe.

Women just wore men down. Some men fought, some fought hard and long, but in the end they got so confused by female doublethink that they lost focus on what they were fighting for and just caved in.

This is reason #1 why I hold women in general culpable for this mess.

But, the bigger reason is that during all those years women never spoke up to refute the feminidiots. Men couldn't because of the brilliant pre-emptive strike of the positioning of all men as simply defending their privilege. And women didn't, thus by their silence allowing the feminidiots to speak for them because the voices of the criminally insane were the only ones speaking.

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Zenpriest #36 - Feminism is Repudiation of the Law of Cause and Effect

If you look at every aspect of feminism, from blaming the dreaded "patriarchy" to the idiotic concept of "glass ceilings", it all boils down an abyssmal level of ignorance of the amount of work required to get something done. I just recently saw an article on how feminists were trying to suppress research that showed that females, both by the reports of their mates and by their own admissions engaged in more dating violence than the males did. The feminidiot commenting on it was afraid that people might draw the conclusion that women "asked for it" - it being having the man retaliate - by attacking the man first.

This is the level of criminal insanity we are dealing with. It is the key to understanding feminism at it's very core - women want to be able to attack men any way they want (or wear seductive clothes flaunting their sexual power over men) and never have to pay any consequences of their out-of-control behavior.

The core of feminism is repudiation of the law of cause and effect, and all those other "androcentric patriarchal constructions" and force the world to conform to female fantasies of what they want the world to be like.

It is the most dangerous mentality ever unleashed on an unsuspecting world.

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Zenpriest #35 - How Was This Allowed To Happen?

The politicians knew full well what they were doing. It worked in Russia, it worked in China, it worked in Cambodia.

This big lie that feminists have been telling all the time draws its power from how false it is. Most men used to like women and have an incredibly strong urge to please them. Some of this comes from being conditioned to respect our mothers, and some it from the pussy power that arthur mentioned.

Taking the question of how it happened into a much larger context, even a cursory examination of history turns up enough examples of the same type of thing happening that I'm frankly surprised that anyone is surprised. After the holocaust, people could not understand how it happened. There have been a half dozen genocidal campaigns in the past 10 years alone.

I think most people have a very naive view of the realities of human nature. Looking back on slavery in the US, it is inconceivable to most people today to contemplate that many people believed it was ok to own other people, and the government of the day had no problem at all defining black men as 3/5ths of a person. It is exactly the same kind of blind spot which made it simply impossible for most Americans to even imagine that 19 young men would voluntarily commit suicide so that they could kill 3,000 people. Hatred is a much more powerful force which lurks in the dark recesses of the human psyche than most people realize.

I think what astonished most men was that we found it almost impossible to believe that so many women hated us so intensely. For about 20 years I watched guys act like abused children trying to make mommy happy so she would stop hitting them. Males are conditioned to take responsibility from birth, so they were sitting ducks for all the blame that women projected onto us. Plus, men are born problem solvers so they set about to remedy any real problems in the naive belief that once remedied women would call off their attacks on men.

I went through wave after wave of false hope. When MacKinnon and Dworkin, in conspiracy with the religious right and the John Ashcroft types, pushed through the Minneapolis and Indianapolis porn ordinances, I thought that would be a wakeup call. When the famous "1 in 4" faked research came out, I thought that would be a wakeup call. When Fruity Faludi came out with her book, I thought that would be a wakeup call. When Lorena Bobbit mutilated her husband and was cheered by millions of women, I thoutht that would be a wakeup call. But, I also watched the Crips-in-suits (color=blue) use Anita Hill to ambush Clarence Thomas, then the Bloods-in-suits (color=red) use whatever her name was to try to ambush Clinton, and it finally all began to make sense.

Everything about feminism is a lie, most particularly the part where men look out for other men. In fact, men compete with each other for just about everything, particularly women and the wealth it takes to attract them. Men will gladly knife each other in the back for some pussy, so given the opportunity to play hero and lock in the female vote, the lawmakers and judges trampled each other in the stampede to hand power to women - they were not threatened because they already had a lot of power and what did they care about all those guys who were just 3/5ths of a person out there just trying to get by and find love?

My question was and is - why do women love so much to hate us? I've told the story many times of a woman I was dating who referred to her feminist consciousness raising group as a "perfectly satisfying man-hating session." That was about 1972 before it became so deeply entrenched in academia, and the pattern was already established which is still being played out today in almost 1,000 "wimmins's studdees" programs.

At first I was bewildered. Then, I spent a lot of years being hurt by the whole thing. Then I got mad as hell.

Read some Maureen Dowd. Then try to step back and see the forest instead of that criminally insane tree. Why? Why is she being provided a platform from which to spew insane irrational hatred on a daily basis? Why is everyone jumping on the anti-male bandwagon, like that one article about fake engagement rings? Why is this shit dished up all day every day?

Somewhere back about 40 years ago, people seemed to generally lose the ability to recognize people who were criminally insane - Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem, child-molesting Germain Greer - and instead elevated them to folk-hero status.

Since I don't own a TV, I read a lot. The more I studied human behavior in the form of history, anthropology, and the mind sciences, the less able I was to hold on to the Humanistic philosophies of my idealist youth. If you would like to read something which really gives an eye-opening perspective, I would suggest "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness" by Erich Fromm. Don't read it, however, if you really want to keep liking people in general. We are a far less noble species that we would like to believe ourselves to be.

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Zenpriest #34 - When Desiring Women is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Desire Women

Technically, the law is the law and while one might wish to disagree with it and perform an act of civil disobedience, one has to do so with an awareness of the consequences and a willingness to pay them. If the feminidiots want to define looking a woman in the eye as "rape" and can intimidate enough lawmakers into passing that law, then looking a woman in the eye is rape in every sense that matters to a man.

I'm sure you remember the controversy over gun control here in the US, and those bumper stickers that read "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Well, when desiring women is outlawed (which it basically has been in most English speaking countries) then only outlaws will desire women.

The feminidiots won that round, because they capitalized on historic prudish and puritan attitudes toward sex and succeeded in escalating those horrible "impure thoughts" that so many men have from merely shameful to criminal. And, the so-called "average good woman" dodge holds no water here because all these women sat around with their thumbs up their asses and either passively watched it happen or actively aided and abetted it through their sexual harassment lawsuits and endless repetition of the famous "1 in 4" lie.

You see the result today in the unrelentingly sluttish behavior of women. Because girls no longer have a female role from which they can draw their identity, and have been forced into the old male role, the only way a girl can announce her femininity to the world is by flaunting her sexuality in every blatant manner possible. Far from the bogus facade of confidence which the media has tried to brainwash everyone into believing that girls today have, girls are actually emotional wrecks. You don't need to look any farther than the "bogus beauty" pageant in China to see that normal young women in the peak of their sexually attractive years still are so neurotic that they feel a compelling need to spend thousands of $$$, and go through surgery after surgery in a vain quest for a sense of female identity and confidence.

[A commenter illustrated this well by saying] - while he still may have a few vestiges of physical attraction, he feels absolutely no emotional attraction. The men here have just had a verbal brawl over the best way to react to this - whether to try to beat women at their own lying game, or just quit and sit out the rest of the gender war.

While naive romantics may continue to live in a fantasy world where all this has no effect on men, the truth is quite different. Every act of sex today is a potential rape charge for the male, and one for which there seems to be no statute of limitations. Men have differing levels of awareness of this, but it is only the truly dense men who can escape the implications of a Kobe Bryant.

And, what [the above commenter] described is a fundamental change in the way men view women, and an irreversible one. I frequently use the saying that it is not possible to turn a pickle back into a cucumber. The NGs here who were once innocent and wanting nothing in life more than to find a woman to love with all their heart who would love them back in any sort of fashion, have lost the innocence and the ability to trust which makes that possible.

Women have destroyed men's ability to love them by turning it into a crime. And, they have further alienated the men who are even still willing to try by their arrogant and hate-filled demeanor and demands.

I've been arguing with the [Toxic Trolls] for all my adult life. In my younger days when I was still afflicted with the strong desires that many of the guys here are trying to contend with, I argued because I had a deep sense that I was fighting for my personal right to exist and emotional survival. That will to survive is one of the strongest forces on earth, so it kept me going for a long time. But, it eventually ran out, as did the last of my ability to feel anything positive toward women at all.

Another analogy I have often used is that situation we have today is like a large lake. On one side, you have armies of women pissing and shitting and dumping as much raw emotional sewage as they can create into that lake. On the other side, you have the group of so-called "nice normal" women who are beginning to realize that their drinking water is no longer as sweet and fresh as it used to be.

Now, the ordinary male response to a situation like this would be to run around to the other side of the lake, and stop those bitches from poisoning the water that everyone else has to drink from. For some odd reason, the female response has been to cheer the bitches for their polluting ways, with calls of "YOU GO, GRRL!!"

From my perspective, it is up to women to do something about the fact that men are no longer allowed to desire them. A lot of dickless men caved in to the army of ToxicTrolls, largely due to the fact that all other women kept silent and appeared to be complicit in what was happening.

One of the reasons that married women who brag about how well they treat their husbands or BFs draw so much fire on here, is that men have seen a lot of women who take the position "I got mine, so what do I care how badly these women are screwing things up for other women, men, and children?"

Nor will a woman like that get any kudos from this group simply because they haven't fucked a man over in the last week. The culture as a rule does not hand out gold medals to members of a group of known arsonists simply because they haven't burned anything down in the past week.

Nor will women who talk about "trying." The male ethic is to look at results. If your house is burning down, you don't want firemen who "try", you want them to be effective in putting out the fire.

"Do, or do not do. There is no 'try'."

I have been hammering on women for years to provide some kind of countervoice to the male-hating and bashing of the feminidiots on the one hand, and the smug sense of superiority of women who want men to continue in their traditional roles despite everything in the culture working to make that impossible, on the other.

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Zenpriest #33 - Salesmanship 101

Maybe Doc Love and DeAngelo have just found a way to package some universal truths in sound bites, but I didn't think of what I was saying as "relationship advice." It was more in the line of "how to get through this world without letting it drive you crazy advice."

Taking it completely out of the relationship realm, what is the first thing they teach in Sales 101 about the most important aspect of selling? ASK FOR THE SALE! If you go shopping for a car and one salesman stands around and yaks your ear off about how great the car is then just stands there expecting you to be spontaneously overcome with a great desire to shuck out thousands of bucks, and a different one says "I really, and I do mean REALLY want your business, what is it going to take to get it?" - which one are you more likely to buy from?

There is this insane notion going around among young men that the only way they can get a woman to sleep with them is to pretend they don't want her to. Guys complain about all the mixed messages they get from women, but don't realize that the messages they give out are no less ambiguous.

Yes, I know that for young men their internal hornies are screaming at them so loudly they just assume that everyone around them can hear too. It isn't true. Yes, in a general sense women are aware that most men want to sleep with attractive women. But, there is a huge difference at the interpersonal level between "yup, guys want to have sex with girls, and I'm a guy and you're a girl, soooo - draw your own conclusions" and "I want to sleep with YOU." The second is at least a departure from the "generic relationship" and acknowledges the other person as a unique individual.

It is also nothing but basic sales to QUALIFY YOUR PROSPECTS. Car salesmen know there are tire-kickers and there are buyers. And, they'll spend a few minutes with a tire-kicker, but the moment a buyer walks in the door they'll drop them like a hot rock and pursue a sale they can close.

This has nothing to do with being a "playa", and is in fact the antithesis of the assumed basic dishonesty which most people associate with the playa mentality. What I'm suggesting is to get MORE honest with yourself and other people, not less.

Yes, I know a lot of guys have been beaten down by feminist bullshit. And I know that a few posts aren't going to reverse that process. But, I also believe that guys have some responsibility for improving their own situations. If I try to tell a guy that there is nothing wrong with wanting what he wants, and he tries to argue with me -- WTF?? - ok, I give in, you're right, you really are pieces of shit!

There's nothing "bad" about wanting sex. If cupcake's father hadn't wanted sex, she would not be alive. But most guys carry around such a huge load of guilt and shame for it that they stand around looking like whipped cocker spaniels hoping some woman will take pity on them and hand out a mercy hump.

It don't happen!

What she wants is for the guy to take the responsibility for moving both of them into bed. She wants to maintain her fantasy of a being a reluctant virgin, and have him call out the wanton woman inside of her.

Guys who do this - get laid. Guys who won't, don't.

It is absolutely true that we suffer according to the level of our own bullshit. When we become willing to let go of our bullshit, then our suffering decreases.

Any guy who holds a woman in contempt and calls her a "slut" for sleeping with other guys is bullshitting himself if he thinks he is not going to hold a woman in subconscious contempt for sleeping with him. It is like the old Grouch Marx joke about not wanting to belong to any club who would have someone like him as a member.

It all boils down to accepting oneself as ok, accepting what one wants as ok to want, and then going about looking for it.

"Hey, you're cute. I want to sleep with you. Do you want to sleep with me? No? Ok. NEXT!"

"Hey, you're cute. I want to sleep with you. Do you want to sleep with me? Yes? COOL!"

Women have a right to not want to fuck someone, just as every guy has that same right to not want to fuck any particular woman. Find out if she wants to, and if she doesn't THEN MOVE ON TO ONE WHO MIGHT.

There's nothing "playa" about that - it is just being honest with yourself and with that other person and respecting both of your rights as human beings.

It is obvious as hell that most women really do want to fuck someone, because they ARE, and it would serve most guys really well to ask what the guys that they are fucking are doing which is different from what they are doing.

If someone sold cars for a living, and the guy next to him was whipping his ass in sales each month, wouldn't it make sense for him to study the other guy's sales techniques and try to emulate them if he really wanted to sell cars?

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Zenpriest #32 - The Glass Pussy Ceiling

I'm a male of the "old school" of masculinity. I realize that makes me a dinosaur in this day and age. But, having watched this whole slow-motion cultural train wreck from the beginning, I see men throwing away a lot of their strengths.

After all the yammering at them by women to become more like women, I see men of today doing just that. And the problem with that is that the female traits they are emulating are precisely the ones which tend to make women ineffective.

Let me use an example to illustrate. We all know by now that the whole "wage-parity/glass-ceiling" bit is complete horsehit. Women make less money than men because they work fewer hours, work less hard during the hours they do spend, take more time off work, and gravitate toward less risky jobs - thereby avoiding all the aspects of jobs for which higher compensation is paid.

What I see here is a bunch of NiceGuys™ complaining that there is a "glass pussy-ceiling." "Us NiceGuys™ only get 75 pieces of ass for every 100 that those EvilGuys™ get!" And, that's true, because EvilGuys™ do more of what it takes to get pussy than NiceGuys™ do, so they get paid more in the coin of the realm of the sexual marketplace.

Just like I have been saying to women all these years, choices have prices and consequences. You can play it safe, OR you can get laid - take your choice based on which results you prefer.

And, what I hear back sounds a whole lot like "But, we want to play it safe, and get laid." to which I say the same thing that I say to women whining about wanting a "woman-friendly workplace" - things just don't work that way. They never have, don't now, and I'm pretty sure they never will.

Guys who are aggressive and take risks, and who are thick skinned enough to ignore rejection, get laid more than guys who don't. And, because they take risks, some of them end up being Kobed. There's something inherent in the meaning of the word "risk" in that.

I don't want men to follow women down that primrose path to helplessness and ineffectiveness. Male values and ethics have served me very well in life and I have not only been able to survive pretty comfortably without massive and intrusive government intervention and protection, in many cases I have been able to survive, in spite of it.

You may have run across my notorious dictum that the best way to kill a bad idea is to implement it - as quickly and thoroughly and with as much fanfare as you can. As long as you fight it, the people pushing for it can paint you as obstructionist and claim that their hare-brained idea will be the salvation of everything. With no evidence to the contrary, their bullshit plays better to onlookers who want it all than your more disciplined approach and you get played to be the bad guy and lose in the court of public opinion. No matter how long and hard you fight it, people will find ways to push it through the back door and implement it incrementally, and the idiocy of it will be masked by the fact that you're keeping things working.

If, on the other hand, you implement it immediately and completely, making sure everyone knows who is responsible for it, when things go to shit the spectators start shouting for the heads of those who thought it up.

I have been fighting this progressive criminalization of male desire since the early 80s. I went head to head against MacKinnon and Dworkin and the religious right over the Minneapolis porn ordinances, along with a small handfull of other men. That was a lot of fun, NOT! The diabolical thing about criminalizing male desire is that we are all guilty of it - we walk around on the lam just waiting for some woman to drop the hammer on us.

If things get as much worse in the next 20 years as they have gotten in the last 20, when the 20 and 30 somethings are 40 and 50 somethings, are they going to be hanging around on forums like this one talking to the then 20 and 30 somethings saying "yeah, you guys sure have it bad!"?

The reason any culture criminalizes something is to try to stamp it out. Apparently, they are now trying to stamp out "unsolicited compliments" and any form of male initiative in starting relationships. And guys keep letting themselves get fined and tossed in jail for providing the benefits of relationships to women who aren't doing jack shit to bring them about.

hmmmmmmm

Yeah, I know guys are saying "But, if we don't pursue women then some EvilGuy™ will and then he will get the pussy we might have been able to have." Yeah, that's true, but he also might end up like Kobe Bryant, or paying child support to some skank for the next 18 years.

Young guys gotta take the risk, I know that. The screaming hornies demand it. So, if they are, at least go for the big payoffs.

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Zenpriest #31 - If Things You See Just Don't Seem To Make Any Sense, Check Your Assumptions. You Will Find That One Or More Of Them Is Wrong.

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After spending years in exactly the same sort of "what the fuck is going on?" state, I began to apply the principle Ayn Rand states over and over again in "Atlas Shrugged" - if things you see just don't seem to make any sense, check your assumptions. You will find that one or more of them is wrong.

The situation as I see it for a lot of guys is like a mosaic - specifically, like one of those composite pictures which are made up of thousands of little pictures. If you stand with the thing right in front of your face, all you see is a few of the little pictures and they seem random and chaotic and don't add up to anything. But, if you start stepping back and work to detach yourself and separate your observations from what you want, at some point the larger picture appears and snaps into focus.

If you take the simple phenomenon of physical obesity, I think people are following exactly the same behavioral patterns when it comes to relationships that they are following when it comes to food - short term gratification of sensual indulgences without regard to the longer term consequences.

[Nice] Guys are being pushed out of the reproductive pool in two ways:

1- Genetically, because the EvilGuys™ are out there snapping up all the breeding opportunities with the stupid cows.

2 - Valuewise, because a lot of your potential mates have already gotten themselves pregnant with demon spawn. You would have to take on a woman with a few of these bastard kids and try to teach them your values, along with any kids you might have. One paradox there is that in order to do that you would already be violating part of that value system you are trying to pass on.

Even if you were able to find a woman who hadn't shucked out a bastard or two and had kids of your own with her, there are absolutely no protections for your ability to stay in their lives and pass on your values. Fathers have been completely marginalized out of the family and dads today are fighting like hell for just the ability to see their kids on a regular basis. Once cupcake has dropped the nuke of "abuse" on you, you could end up like those poor bastards who have to pay $85-$300 per hour for "supervised visitation." Great. You get to shell out a few hundred bucks to spend 2 hours in the equivalent of an interrogation room interacting with your kid while a lesbian wimmins's-studies/socialwork major breathes down your neck and watches your every move under a microscope.

How do you play the game if you are after a reward which is no longer a part of the structure of the game? Answer: you can't. It's like Global Thermonuclear War – the only “winning” move is not to play.

Where does a nice-guy like you fit in? He doesn't. The feminidiots declared open season on guys like you and you are being hunted into extinction.

Those are hard answers, and I know they aren't the ones that NiceGuys™ are looking for, but those are the answers I see.

Being an old-style male and having fierce pride in men and maleness, I have great faith that men will be able to adapt and find a way to beat the game. I don't have the answer, because my choice was to refuse to play - or more accurately to choose to play only limited parts of the game.

What I'm trying to do is pass on what I have learned so that younger guys can build on it and come up with some innovations - exactly like science and technology have progressed on the work of each generation and added new ideas and knowledge to it which led to new techniques.

If I were going to make some suggestions for approaches which might be more useful than others, I would say start with looking at older style courtship processes. When I was a kid, the first question parents would ask their child who had a new love interest was "Do they come from a good family?" That one simple question contained a huge amount of wisdom. Look at the value system they were raised in and thus are likely to hold to. Try to meet a woman's family. If her mother or sisters are skanks, or her dad is an asshole, or gone because he either got pushed out of the family or was a deadbeat, look somewhere else.

There is another factor in that as well. There really is something which might be called "social capital." A good family reputation benefits all the members of a family and a bad one harms all of them. If your brother fucked someone over, you automatically became less trustworthy, so families exerted a great deal of internal pressure on their members to behave ethically.

Does the tradition of "honor killings" start to make sense?

Another suggestion would be to take a real hard look at yourself and get real honest with yourself regarding any degree to which you behave like a skank behaves. As irritating as she can be at times, MNIK points out that a lot of guys are just as picky about women and have just as shallow criteria when it comes to looks as NiceGuys™ complain about skanks being.

If a flat-chested 2 otherwise met all your criteria, would you consider her? Any NiceGuy™ who cannot answer an immediate and unconflicted "yes" to that question is carrying around some internal hypocrisy which is going to keep tripping him up in his quest for a NiceGal™.

As the old saying goes, you cannot con a man who is honest with himself.

Guys [often] talk about wanting intimacy and closeness, and I can tell them that I have personally experienced the old "Ugly Duckling" fairy tale and watched a 2 turn into a solid 7 right before my very eyes when snuggled up against her. I have also gone to bed with 9s who morphed overnight into -1s.

Even for the guys who want to be "playas", if we put strictly in cash terms, if you had one 10, and I had four 5s, would you trade me even up? If not, the guy would be a fool, and if so, I would be the fool.

Like I keep saying, I am not without sympathy for the situation of younger men. But I have been through enough of the territory to know that what many of them think it looks like out there, is not what it actually looks like. I'm a hard-assed old codger throwing buckets of cold water on some guys who have illusions and fantasies which I don't see as being any different than the illusions and fantasies young women hold these days.

Female infanticide and selective neglect of female infants resulting in their deaths have been very real things in the past. A few hundred years ago, the average ratio of men of breeding age to women of breeding age was about 130:100. Female sexuality (breeding capacity) really was a commodity for which there was far more demand than supply, which explains the high cultural value which was placed on it. Not only does our biology drive us men to compete for desirable females, cultural circumstances and values amplified this even further.

I was raised to be a NiceGuy™, but women of my generation were also raised to be NiceGals™. Then feminidiocy came along and convinced them that being a NiceGal™ was proof that they were "oppressed" by the dreaded evil "Patriarchy", and that in order to combat that they had to become skanks - so, many of them did.

A lot of NiceGuys™ think that the way to cope with the situation is to become EvilGuys™. The problem is that they can't - most of them just don't have it in them. Let just one woman scratch them where they itch, and they instantly revert back to being the NiceGuys™ that they really are, which gives the skank the chance to revert to her real type.

A lot of people think I'm an EvilGuy™. (MNIK thinks I shave with a blowtorch.) But, I'm really just a HardGuy™. The world wants us to be hard and will either beat us into being hard, or beat us to death trying. Contrary to all the crap women have put out, they really want us to be HardGuys™ too, which is why they beat the shit out of us.

The reason that women seem to go for EvilGuys™ is because they are the only HardGuys™ left. All the NiceGuys™ are really SoftGuys™ and they are about as appealing as oatmeal when the Rottweilers that women have become really want to sink their teeth into a flavorful but tough steak.

The course [which I think is the right one] is - harden yourself, become successful, demand fair compensation for what you have to give a woman or don't give it.

You may still end up without a woman, because women really have become ruined by feminidiocy, but you will get to keep your soul. Every man has to make the decision for himself which is more important to him.

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Zenpriest #30 - Gurl Math

Quote: "The changing ratio of female to male students is a social phenomenon worthy of speculation. As women assume the role of breadwinner, are men becoming less economically driven? Does an anti-male bias in education discourage males (advancement), as another study suggests?"

Y'know, it takes a full PhD in something like sociology to become so stupid as to seriously ask such questions.

"If you fill your living room with wadded newspapers, and then throw a match into them, do you think your house will burn down?"

Take away not only the motivation, but the means as well, for men to become financially successful, and d'ya think men might actually become less financially successful?

Give women more than 50% of college degrees (since 1980) and more than 50% of all management level jobs (since 2001) and just where are these financially successful men supposed to come from? Out of the same ass that all the cooked statistics came from? I guess gurl-math somehow sees it as being possible for women to get 60% of the best paying jobs, and for men to get the other 60% so all those high achieving women can find an even higher achieving man, all the while also making $1 for every $1 a man makes.

The law of summation of paradoxes dictates that at some point the entire system of delusion has to collapse.

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"No matter how strong a woman is, no matter how much of a feminist a woman is, she still tends to look down on men who are not sufficiently aggressive and successful... We still want men to achieve as much or more, and we have contempt for those who don't. They're marginal; they're losers." -- writer and professor Jane Young in Good Will Towards Men by Jack Kammer

"[S]leek young women in the Prada-handbag crowd... cast chilly, appraising glances around the room at power-lunch restaurants and dot-com launch parties. You can almost see the thought balloons over their heads: 'Anyone here making more than me and worth talking to?' Most of [the] female clients [of one professional matchmaker who worked at two dating services in San Francisco for ten years] were over 30. They made a lot of money but were determined to find a man who made even more. Their happiness seemed to depend on it." -- columnist Sue Hutchinson, San Jose (California) Mercury News, October 1, 2000

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Zenpriest #29 - The Future's Cultural Time-bombs

As pissed off as you guys are at women, most of you remember a time when women were something other than distilled viciousness. You seek and yearn for a different type of woman, you at least believe that such exists.

[The boys today] are growing up in a world where their mothers are the biggest skanks of all, because they should know better and because the boys feel instinctively that they should be able to trust mom.

Trying to explain to such boys that women who are capable of anything other than extreme cruelty will be like some of the things I have tried to get across to younger men here - they won't believe you.

Some of these boys will hate females with an intensity which makes arthur look like Alan Alda.

I see the potential in a few years for unprecedented levels of violence against women. A permanent social and economic underclass, deprived of breeding opportunity and ANY sort of positive deeply emotional contact, isn't going to like a bunch of older guys who found one way or another to do ok within the system that they are locked out of any more than they are going to like women.

As more incidents like Columbine happen, and these cultural time bombs go off, there are going to be calls for ever more laws to restrict your behavior, and be as intrusive into your lives as they want to be. Men accused of molesting children these days are routinely required to undergo a test in which their penis is wired to a machine and he is shown violent and kiddie porn and his sexual reaction is measured. Of course, the test doesn't mean shit and it will register anxiety and it gets interpreted as arousal.

I understand why guys want to run away to other countries - what is called "the Geographical Cure" - but all this shit will be everywhere in another generation or two. What then? Gonna leave it for the little boys to sort out?

A couple of generations of men have dropped the fucking ball that they ended up handing off to most of the guys here. My gang of idiots let this get started, and our little brothers and sisters - or first kids of those who had them early - just followed in our ruts.

But, some of us have got to turn around and do something to help these little boys and not abandon them to the all-consuming harridans.

This thing has such immense cultural momentum, it's unbelievable. Women are cutting the arms off little girls and letting them bleed to death, and everyone rushes to comfort her, because we know that women are always the victims.

Monsters are running loose among us, and they are creating new monsters every day. The media tries to paint Aileen Wuornos in a sympathetic manner. It's ok to be a monster, if you are woman, everybody understands. Murder is cool, if a woman gets off on it. I think that was Karla Faye Tucker, but it might have been Karla Hromolka.

Guys need to start screaming about how this culture of hatred is going to backfire in a big way, and worst of all on women.

Hate bounces. Anyone here heard that before?

You need to start screaming because when it starts to happen "they" are going to start blaming you, and passing more laws to make your lives hell.

This is the one and only time I am going to use this particular word, because it has entered the junkfood category of meaningless words - empowerment.

All power comes from willingness to act. I hear a lot of helplessness from the guys here, and I keep preaching that they aren't as helpless as they think. But they keep going down the same old ruts because they feel safer and less risky.

But, those ruts keep leading to the same dead end.

When a person isn't getting what they want, it is pretty much a habit to do more of the same. But there comes a point when you are doing as much of it as you can, that you really ought to ask yourself what it is going to take to prove to you that it is NOT going to work. And, once you have figured that out, make the decision to try something else.

Somebody has to defend the boys, and stand up for positive maleness, and try to get bright lights shown on the stories of corruption and plain vileness of women.

Because as long as "The Feminine Mystique" is not shattered, women will be able to appear to men any way they want to appear.

Be prepared guys. And help out the little guys whenever and wherever you can.

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Zenpriest #28 - Ethical Sociopaths

[One reaction to feminism] is what I term "becoming an ethical sociopath." What I mean by that is embarking on a path of spiritual and self development which leads to coming to terms with or eliminating one's faults, and becoming confident enough about one's virtues to self-validate and no longer need the validation of women.

It may seem like a very fine line I am drawing here, but I believe it is a significant one. If a woman tells me every day what a rotten asshole I am, it is still my choice and something within my power to regard her opinion as insignificant. It is a mental battle that I must win against myself, but one that can be won.

The reason I may seem to harp on this, is that I am dedicated to helping men get their feet back under them and reclaim their power. I am not saying that it is easy, I am just saying that it can be done.

When a woman tells me I am a rotten asshole, there are basically two possibilities - 1) she is right, I really am a rotten asshole, or 2) she is wrong, I'm really ok, and she is a complete idiot.

I'll take what is behind door number 2.

This is what I mean when I keep saying that women have thrown away their own power. Yes, in times past, women did really have immense amounts of power based on the desire of most men to please them. But, by going so absolutely insane and self-absorbed, what they have ended up doing is training men how to live and survive mentally and emotionally without their approval.

I mean, really who can take seriously the opinions of creatures afraid to go out of the house without troweling a layer of paint on their faces?

Why in the world would I elevate the opinions of someone who is afraid of her own face over my own knowledge of myself?

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Zenpriest #27 - Ignoring Women

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Quote: "If there is one piece of tactical knowledge modern man needs to add, it's the female hot button: being ignored."

I would like to take your tactical point, and expand it to show how it works strategically.

Once men understand why being ignored is so devastating to women, we will have a weapon of unbelievable power.

I'm not going to write a thesis on this, so just let me say that I have researched the hell out of this and can provide all the citations and evidence – the outline will be presented in sound bites.

Everywhere in nature, the male is the reproductive servant of the female. This goes down to the level of plants which have "male" and "female" parts.

The ripening of an egg, or ovum, is a time and energy intensive job, so the male is designed to be ready to fertilize that ovum when the female notifies him that she is "ready."

In the rest of the natural world, females announce their readiness to the entire world with a variety of cues - smell being the most significant, but visual cues come in a close second.

When a female chimpanzee is in estrus, her genitals swell up and become a SPECIFIC shade of bright pink. Jane Goodall observed one such female whose genitals could be seen from across a valley - nearly a mile or 2 away.

There is a species of fish in which the belly of the female turns a particular shade of red when she is gravid. A block of wood with the lower half painted that exact shade of red will drive males into a mating frenzy.

Smell is even more important. There are MANY species in which a female in heat gives off pheromones which are specific to that species which can be picked up by males as much as 5 miles away.

Ok, now here is the bombshell which usually blows a lot of men's groups apart. One of the most destructive concepts we have against us is creationism. Unless people are able to see that humans are part of the natural world and ruled by the same influences as all other living things, they are able to believe that change can be imposed "top down" by some sort of outside authority, instead of arising inevitably from our inherent natures.

This would be our "is-ness" - our inherent nature which makes us what we are, and not what we are not.

Mating behavior does NOT get mediated in the new brain, or the cortex. It happens in the brainstem and spinal cord, the old or "reptile" brain.

In the days when such experiments were still allowed, you could open a cat's skull and suck out all the cortex. Sexual and mating behavior was not affected at all, but social behavior was destroyed.

Human females have introduced a new factor in the game - they ovulate covertly. There is no way to tell when they are fertile and when they aren't - although we are beginning to hear about studies which suggest that women on the pill smell differently.

The human male adaptation to this has been to pay greater attention to women and the subtle cues they give off that they are fertile. These are these "signals" that women always talk about giving off and getting so angry at men when they don't pick up on them.

The problem lies in the fact that women have become adept at faking these cues in order to trigger men's mating responses - thus giving them huge amounts of power to manipulate men. Men react in their spinal cords to a woman's facial lips reddened with lipstick, exactly the same way they would react to a different set of lips reddened with sexual ripeness.

Purely female power depends entirely on how many males she can capture the attention of. The more males vying for the chance to fertilize her egg, the more choices she has.

So, when women like Andrea Dworkin say they have no power, they are speaking the absolute truth. She has no female power because she is ugly as sin and men run in the other direction screaming. So, she wants male power. In Warren Farrel's one really good book, "Why Men Are The Way They Are" he talks about females becoming used to being "genetic celebrities" and men being "genetic groupies."

Women grow up being accustomed to having to do nothing more than show up in order to be the center of male attention. Like any child, their behavior gets shaped to maximize the rewards they get, and by two years after they hit puberty most females are masters of the art of sexual manipulation.

This is the reason for the extreme restrictions placed on girls in tribal cultures where the kind of endlessly self-centered manipulation of immature females would destroy the tribe. Women in the middle east wear the burqa and women in Africa take little girls and cut their genitals off because purely selfish behavior will destroy the cohesiveness of the tribe which is essential for its survival.

The old structure of marriage was designed mostly to benefit older women because the power of a young fertile female over men of all ages is universal. By locking people into a marriage which could not be broken, women were guaranteed to be cared for into old age. The smarter ones used the years of their peak sexual attractiveness to build emotional bonds with their husbands which would endure into their "not so pretty years."

When women got "liberated" from all this, the culture was thrown back to a situation where sexual power was everything. And, so far the first 2 quarters of the gender war have been fought in women's territory when they did still have sexual power.

But, things are changing. The boomers are getting old, and boomer men are losing interest in women at the same time that boomer women are getting so ugly that no one takes an interest in them. Chapin's series about the "Quagmire of Older Women." is dead on target.

If men allow women to get away with the shit they have gotten away with, and come in and rescue women from the painful consequences of it, there will be no learning at the cultural level.

The strategy which I believe will work for men is the equivalent of the labor management practice of a "lockout." Women wanted out of the system as it was, ok. Now that they are out, we don't let them back in.

There is a great old story about PT Barnum. One of his shows was so successful that the crowds were becoming dangerous. People were so packed that there was a real danger of some of them getting trampled. So, he had his carnies open some of the gates and his barkers start shouting "This way to see the great EGRESS!"

The herd surged through the gates and found out that "egress" means "exit."

I believe that natural forces are going to rule the day and that they are already in motion and already having an effect - I believe they are what is responsible for the effects that you are seeing. As decent men have gone on a marriage strike, the sneaky fuckers have moved in. (that is the actual name of an anthropological theory)

The birth rate in the black community has not fallen a bit from the destruction of the black family. I know one black guy who has 6-7 women he boinks on a regular basis. Black women are pretty hard up because so many black men are in prison and so many of them are dying so young.

So, back to the point about ignoring women. It is more than just a tactic for an individual man to use, it is a culture level STRATEGY for men which will have women screaming for their men back in no time at all.

And [it] is completely full of shit [to believe men should] "turn the other cheek and don't take revenge on women".

Boomer men OWE it to younger men to make life as miserable as we possibly can for boomer women.

Ok, now here is where the fact that I am NOT a christian really begins to come out.

Buddhists don't believe in "salvation." We believe in kharma. Everyone suffers according to the level of their own bullshit.

When that dumb motherfucking televangelist called for "forgiveness" of Karla Faye Tucker because at the last moment she "found the lord", I went berserk.

Women have made their bed, and if men do not make them lie in it, then men have asked for all the shit they have gotten and I will cease to have any sympathy at all for them.

I simply cannot go back to the innocent optimism that I had when I was a teenaged boy. I have personally been burned so many times, and seen every man I know burned so many times, that I am no longer "Charlie Brown, the sincere BLOCKHEAD", willing to be made a fool of ONE MORE TIME by Lucy who suckers me into believing that she will do what she promises, but a cagey old curmudgeon who simply expects women to lie and cannot be hoodwinked by their lies.
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Men now must completely destroy marriage. It is too corrupt and too fouled to fix. It is a derelict building which MUST be torn down so that something useful can be built in its place.

We cannot stop the marriage strike. The real "men's movement" is millions of wildcat strikes of one man who has woken up to what bullshit "marriage" as it exists today really is.

No matter how big a dam one builds, a river will always overcome it. We cannot either push, or hold back, the river. It will proceed at its own pace.

We can, however, clear out the snags which naturally hold it back and let natural forces speed up the current.

Women have turned their backs on us when we needed them, now we must turn our backs on them when they need us.

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I must now discuss the "uniting" impulse of women, for that plays the chief, if not the sole part in her sexuality. But it must not be supposed that this is greater in one sex than the other. Any such idea comes from a confusion between the desire for a thing and the stimulus towards the active part in securing what is desired. Throughout the animal and plant kingdom, the male reproductive cells are the motile, active agents, which move through space to seek out the passive female cells, and this physiological difference is sometimes confused with the actual wish for, or stimulus to, sexual union. And to add to the confusion, it happens, in the animal kingdom particularly, that the male, in addition to the directly sexual stimulus, has the instinct to pursue and bodily capture the female, whilst the latter has only the passive part to be taken possession of. These differences of habit must not be mistaken for real differences of desire. -- Otto Weininger, Sex and Character, Male and Female Sexuality

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Further reading:

EOTM: Why Men Go For "The Look"

EOTM: The Biological Foundations of Sexuality 
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Your Attention Please -- by Rollo Tomassi
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Getting What You Want, Wanting What You Get – by Fred Reed

Rats! 
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